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    Is there an ISO for the "Basic" standard?

    Is there an ISO for the "Basic" standard?

    I ask this why I downloaded some different Basic and a very simple code that works in one of them does not work in others
    Example is the concatenate
    Some use "&" others "+"
    I keep thinking about the case of
    A = 1: b = 2
    C = a & b "12", c = a + b "3",
    C = a + b "concatenate!?"
    Function recall

    Function as () as long
    Function = value output
    End function

    Function as () as long
    As = value out
    End function

    Function as () as long
    Return Value Out
    End function

    Some have goto and gosub, others do not
    Among other differences
    Base 0, base 1, mixed


    Apparently contrary to other languages, basic has no basis
    This takes the force of the language that although anyone "even I" can learn easily does not go forward for lack of standardization and what is written for one type of basic does not work on the other

    The right would be for programmers to love language to create a standardization page where they would be the basis for others to follow when writing their language interpreters or compilers
    Something like functions, variables and basic commands, declaration syntax, among other things, to even create a default oop for the own basic where it did not let the language ease awayn the other



    existe algum ISO para o padrão do "Basic" ?

    pergunto isso por que baixei alguns Basic diferentes e um codigo mesmo bem simples que funciona em um deles não funciona nos outros
    exemplo é o concatenar
    uns utilizam o "&" outros "+"
    fico pensando no caso de
    a=1:b=2
    c=a & b "12", c=a + b "3",
    c=a + b "concatenar !?"

    uns tem goto e gosub, outros não tem
    entre outras tantas diferenças

    pelo visto ao contrario de outras linguagens, basic não tem bases
    isso tira a força da linguagem que apesar de qualquer um "até mesmo eu" conseguir aprender facilmente acaba não indo a frente por falta de padronização e o que se escreve para um tipo de basic não funciona no outro

    o certo seria voces programadores amantes da linguagem criar uma pagina de padronização onde ficariam as base para outros seguirem quando forem escrever seus interpretadores ou compiladores da linguagem
    algo como funções ,variaveis e comandos basicos, sintaxe de declaração , entre outras coisas, até mesmo criar um oop padrão para o proprio basic onde não deixasse fugir a facilidade da linguagem
    Last edited by Edcronos; 22-01-2017 at 14:15.

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    if you want Goto, Gosub functions then use the free version of powerbasic. thinbasic is made by commercial powerbasic compiler version 10.04 but designed with many additions, innovations, tricks.... etc. look here http://www.thinbasic.com/community/s...werBasic-v9-07
    goto http://forum.powerbasic.com/ and register to the forum, try LogIn with your chosen name or email, and password after a few hours or wait one or two days until you get email for confirmation, you may never get an email so LogIn immediately or after a few hours. the name should be real and not like as an example "primo"
    using Michael description: Get into the store through the forum, NOT the main page. Or from the main page, when you are in the store, click on catalog.
    note the serial numbers of the free products.

    there is also modern quick basic here http://www.qb64.net/ which have Goto Gosub
    Last edited by primo; 22-01-2017 at 14:18.

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    My question is not over goto and gosub
    Is yes in the differences in the various implementations with name BASIC

    Although I find gosub and goto a facilitator, if I did not have it in basic I would certainly have learned something different
    I already downloaded the power basic 9, the freebasic among others and each one has its own style
    One accepts dim array (1 to 10, 0 to 20), another no longer accepts, in the other arrays created by the system as with the base are split 0 and the others created by the programmer are base 1

    This kills the language, and leaves the novice programmer confused,
    And if something he has abituo to use, stop having support, his codes are practically lost

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    hello Edcronos
    I don't know that there's an ISO BASIC standard freely available or an
    exhaustive comparison of the many BASIC dialects but if you want to run old BASIC programs then qb64 may be for you, give it a try.
    what kind of programs you want to write?
    maybe I could make a recommendation.
    Last edited by jack; 22-01-2017 at 16:08.

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    Wikipedia lists a few BASIC standards:
    • ANSI/ISO/IEC Standard for Minimal BASIC:
      • ANSI X3.60-1978 "For minimal BASIC"
      • ISO/IEC 6373:1984 "Data Processing — Programming Languages — Minimal BASIC"

    • ECMA-55 Minimal BASIC (withdrawn, similar to ANSI X3.60-197
    • ANSI/ISO/IEC Standard for Full BASIC:
      • ANSI X3.113-1987 "Programming Languages Full BASIC"
      • INCITS/ISO/IEC 10279-1991 (R2005) "Information Technology – Programming Languages – Full BASIC"

    • ANSI/ISO/IEC Addendum Defining Modules:
      • ANSI X3.113 Interpretations-1992 "BASIC Technical Information Bulletin # 1 Interpretations of ANSI 03.113-1987"
      • ISO/IEC 10279:1991/ Amd 1:1994 "Modules and Single Character Input Enhancement"

    • ECMA-116 BASIC (withdrawn, similar to ANSI X3.113-1987)
    If you check their age, I think this is not something we would like to base our work on.

    I admit the range of variety across different BASIC dialects can be confusing. I, personally, take inclusion of BASIC in thinBASIC as a designers promise to keep things simple and accessible.


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    Not just confusing
    But it totally detracts from the language
    This is why even the simplest codes are not able to run between different implementations

    About iso did not know it was paid, which I think is absurd
    But as I said, the programming community itself can create a new language pattern

    Start, create type polls to be used

    Default "Base1" "Base0" (<my vote is "Base1")
    Goto by default "yes" "no" (<my vote is "yes")
    Gosub as standard "yes" "no" (<my vote is "yes")
    Concatenate "&" "+" (<my vote is "&")
    Variant as default "yes" "no" (<my vote is "yes")
    Char as default "yes" "no"
    Byte as default "yes" "no"
    Standard Long (32bit) is 2 byte, 4 byte ...
    Extension ".bas" "..." "..."
    "Let", "Let $"
    "Function = result", "function-name = result", "return result"
    ....
    So the staff even not wanting to follow a restricted pattern can go for what has the most votes


    não apenas confuso
    mas descaracteriza totalmente a linguagem
    isso por que mesmo os codigos mais simples é capaz de não executar entre diferentes implementações

    sobre o iso não sabia que era pago, o que eu acho um absurdo
    mas como falei, a propria comunidade programadora pode criar um novo padrão da linguagem

    de inicio, criar enquetes de tipos a serem usados

    Default "Base1" "Base0" (<my vote is "Base1")
    Goto by default "yes", "no" (<my vote is "yes")
    Gosub as standard "yes", "no" (<my vote is "yes")
    Concatenate "&", "+" (<my vote is "&")
    Variant as standard "yes", "no" (<my vote is "yes")
    Char as default "yes", "no"
    Byte by default "yes", "no"
    Standard Long (32bit) is 2 byte, 4 byte ...
    Extension ".bas", "...", "..."
    "Let", "Let$"
    "função=resultado" , "Nome-função=resultado" , "Retorno resultado"
    ....
    assim o pessoal mesmo não querendo seguir um padrão restrito pode ir pelo que tiver mais votos
    Last edited by Edcronos; 22-01-2017 at 22:22.

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